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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Virisin on June 06, 2008, 10:32:38 pm
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Ok, answer me a few questions so I can judge you. If I hate you, this may be your chance to redeem yourself...
1. Are you religious?
2. Do you believe in Global Warming?
3. http://www.radionz.co.nz/search?mode=results&queries_all_query=montage <-- Listen to the audio. Tell me what you think of it.
That is all. :D
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Ok, answer me a few questions so I can judge you. If I hate you, this may be your chance to redeem yourself...
1. Are you religious?
2. Do you believe in Global Warming?
3. http://www.radionz.co.nz/search?mode=results&queries_all_query=montage <-- Listen to the audio. Tell me what you think of it.
4. That is all. :D
1. I am not religious - but I'm spiritual.
2. Yes I do - it's an important issue - and I'm very susceptible to heat, anything over 25 degrees Celsius makes me sweat.
3. Mariah Carey is tha man :-P but listen at this American Idol version of the song which becomes 'Ken Lee' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT18LZItBLA&feature=related
4. Really?
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3. Mariah Carey is tha man :-P but listen at this American Idol version of the song which becomes 'Ken Lee' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT18LZItBLA&feature=related
4. Really?
Firstly, what the fuck did my link have to do with Mariah Carey?!
And secondly, you misquoted me you bastard, I din't have a 4th point!
Otherwise you're currently in first place with 2/3 questions right and a dumb comment.
:d
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1. Surveys
2. are lame.
3. Mariah Carey's song was playing in the background between Rumsfeld quotes, which made it considerably more sickening. It would have been funny, but it was mostly sad. :-\ Thank you for weakening my confidence in the competence of my country's leaders yet again. -_-
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Your mums lame cause you didn't answer the questions.. But I'm kinda disturbed you people realised it was a MC song in the background.. I certainly didn't.
Kito ties Lionheart for first.
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Oh, fuck you Virisin - don't start making this nonsense a competition - who cares about your judgement anyway :)
I replied just for some bitter sarcasm so I was not commenting that anti-america discussion and I focused on the song in the background.
Your link had everything to do with Mariah Carey - she's the first lady of music :P
Oh, I really did misquote you? Am I vewwy vewwy sorry - I not intended to ;)
In the end did you listen to the American Idol version of the song? I found it extra-funny.
PS: Offence to people's mums is not very gallant of you - in your place I'd hide in shame.
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Ok, answer me a few questions so I can judge you. If I hate you, this may be your chance to redeem yourself...
1. Are you religious?
2. Do you believe in Global Warming?
3. http://www.radionz.co.nz/search?mode=results&queries_all_query=montage <-- Listen to the audio. Tell me what you think of it.
1. Only in the eyes of cretins who consider atheism a religion.
2. Sure I believe the weather has been getting increasingly warmer, and it may have an affect overtime, but no I don't think it's going to melt the polar caps and destroy all life as we know it, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
3. Rumsfled's an idiot, in fact the majority of the US Government is comprised of such idiocy.
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Sure I believe the weather has been getting increasingly warmer, and it may have an affect overtime, but no I don't think it's going to melt the polar caps and destroy all life as we know it, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
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The weather has not only been getting increasingly warmer but more erratic. There are more tsunamies, hurricanes, forest fires and heat waves of more epic proportions than ever before. The ice cap IS melting and will destroy life as we know it.
Just as a small example, for Father's Day we had lobster. Soon the ocean water will be too warm and too watery (less saline) that the lobsters will die. And there's tons of potential medical cures in the ocean that will die with it.
The Kyoto Protocol isn't the cure but it's a step in the right direction. I don't understand why the US won't agree. They are world leaders and there are no global penalties if you don't meet the agreement. It's just an agreement to try and to care and to take small steps towards reducing GHG's.
And there is no conspiracy. Global warming is a sad fact.
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Sorry, still trying how to figure out how to quote
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Just use the quote tab the forum gives you.
I do however agree with Iwku on this one.. Global warming is quite as bad as it's made out to be, and it is humans that are causing it. Global warming itself might not directly lead to life ending as we know it, but it starts a vicious cycle of events that certainly will.
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The ice cap IS melting and will destroy life as we know it.
Theory, nothing more. In fact many scientists's disagree with said theory so touting as fact and not opinion or theory is incredibly silly.
Soon the ocean water will be too warm and too watery (less saline) that the lobsters will die. And there's tons of potential medical cures in the ocean that will die with it.
Lobster 'may' die, once again theory. As for potential cures, you need to know what the word potential means I believe. Everything on the planet is a potential cure for evcerything, your quote on the other hand is melodramatic and seems to say that the cures for several diseases would disappear with the life in the ocean, and not that there could 'possibly' be cures in the ocean.
And there is no conspiracy. Global warming is a sad fact.
Okay, to reiterate, just because you agree with a theory, that doesn't make it fact.
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Ok, answer me a few questions so I can judge you. If I hate you, this may be your chance to redeem yourself...
1. Are you religious?
2. Do you believe in Global Warming?
3. http://www.radionz.co.nz/search?mode=results&queries_all_query=montage <-- Listen to the audio. Tell me what you think of it.
That is all. :D
1. no; I'm an athiest.
2. No, and here's some reasons why: (borrowed from http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/07/18/disproof-of-global-warming-hype-published/)
The IPCC’s (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%
CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;
Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;
The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;
The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;
“Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;
Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;
The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;
It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;
Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;
In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.
3. I have long believed that politics isnt the greatest thing to speak about in a forum.
THAT is all.
3. Mariah Carey is tha man :-P but listen at this American Idol version of the song which becomes 'Ken Lee' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT18LZItBLA&feature=related
4. Really?
rofl great video m8 :P
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Your source of proof is the “Men’s News Daily”? Please.
The MND’s article incorrectly states there is “mathematical proof that there is no climate crisis”. Using words such as “published” in debate … in Physics and Society, a “scientific publication” of the 46,000-strong “American Physical Society” (APS) makes it sound like this was a scientific work published in a respected journal, when in fact is just an opinion article in one of their online newsletter forums. The APS states “This newsletter is not a scientific journal of the APS, and it is not peer reviewed”.
This is the link to the original article:
http://www.aps.org/units/fsp/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
(1) The article is not a proper scientific study so it cannot be proof. It is an opinion of the author. The article is not held up to any sort of statistical analysis and the author is unable to state any conclusion with any level of confidence. The article abstract states, …”the conclusion is that perhaps there is no “climate crisis”.
(2) The article does not have support from the APS. A press release from the APS (July 22/08) states “American Physical Society (APS) today reaffirmed its position on climate change issued last November, releasing the following statement “Emissions of greenhouse gasses from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate. The evidence is incontrovertible. Global warming is occurring”. “The society’s position has not changed, and APS remains engaged in the issue that has considerable international consequences”.
This is a link to the APS Media response to the original article:
http://www.aps.org/about/pressreleases/climatechange08.cfm
You quoted Lord Monckton’s conclusion in the article “The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing”. While that statement in itself is true, he cannot apply it to global warming being a non-problem because he can’t draw any conclusions because he didn’t conduct a proper study.
The article in the MND’s is scary because there will be people reading it who will take it at face value and believe it to be true. Let’s say it were true, does that mean we should not bother with annual air care car emissions tests, not worry about clear-cutting our forests, throw away our blue boxes and stop recycling, take the car when we can walk, and stop designing energy-efficient communities and transportation systems? Maybe it would mean that, or it could result in an easy excuse not to take better care of our Earth.
I’m sure we can all start citing real studies about global warming, but I agree that mud forums are not the place to discuss politics.
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Actually, I believe in the General Discussions board you can discuss anything you want. Even <ewww> politics <shivers>.
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Rith you are a fool. Iwku is currently winning this competition, Kito is in second, Kvetch third, Lionheart and Fizban tied for fourth, Rith last even though he got 2/3 right.
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Sorry virisin, I don't think any of us care to win the "Whose heas is up Virisin's ass the most." award.
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Your source of proof is the “Men’s News Daily”? Please.
Okay, I take the bait.
Here's a nice article on the ten most common myths about global Warming: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468)
Key quotes:
"7. Global warming means more frequent, more severe storms.
Here again the alarmists cannot even turn to the wildly distorted and politicized “Summary for Policy Makers” of the UN’s IPCC to support this favorite chestnut of the press."
"5. Climate change is raising the sea levels.
Sea levels rise during interglacial periods such as that in which we (happily) find ourselves. Even the distorted United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports refute the hysteria, finding no statistically significant change in the rate of increase over the past century of man’s greatest influence, despite green claims of massive melting already occurring. Small island nations seeking welfare and asylum for their citizens such as in socially generous New Zealand and Australia have no sea-level rise at all and in some cases see instead a drop. These societies’ real problem is typically that they have made a mess of their own situation. One archipelago nation is even spending lavishly to lobby the European Union for development money to build beachfront hotel resorts, at the same time it shrieks about a watery and imminent grave. So, which time are they lying?"
"4. The glaciers are melting!
As good fortune has it, frozen things do in fact melt or at least recede after cooling periods mercifully end. The glacial retreat we read about is selective, however. Glaciers are also advancing all over, including lonely glaciers nearby their more popular retreating neighbors. If retreating glaciers were proof of global warming, then advancing glaciers are evidence of global cooling. They cannot both be true, and in fact, neither is. Also, retreat often seems to be unrelated to warming. For example, the snow cap on Mount Kilimanjaro is receding -- despite decades of cooling in Kenya -- due to regional land use and atmospheric moisture."
"3. Climate was stable until man came along.
Swallowing this whopper requires burning every basic history and science text, just as “witches” were burned in retaliation for changing climates in ages (we had thought) long past. The “hockey stick” chart -- poster child for this concept -- has been disgraced and airbrushed from the UN’s alarmist repertoire."
"1. It’s hot in here!
In fact, “It’s the baseline, stupid.” Claiming that present temperatures are warm requires a starting point at, say, the 1970s, or around the Little Ice Age (approximately 1200 A.D to the end of the 19th Century), or thousands of years ago. Select many other baselines, for example, compared o the 1930s, or 1000 A.D. -- or 1998 -- and it is presently cool. Cooling does paint a far more frightening picture, given that another ice age would be truly catastrophic, while throughout history, warming periods have always ushered in prosperity. Maybe that’s why the greens tried “global cooling” first.
The claim that the 1990s were the hottest decade on record specifically targets the intellectually lazy and easily frightened, ignoring numerous obvious factors. “On record” obviously means a very short period, typically the past 100+ years, or since the end of the Little Ice Age. The National Academies of Science debunked this claim in 2006. Previously rural measuring stations register warmer temps after decades of “sprawl” (growth), cement being warmer than a pasture."
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There is no bait.
It surprises me that your reference seems even less credible than the first one posted. At least the other article tried to reference and interpreted the original source. Your reference is just a commentary – with an ad for a 40% off fall seat sale and blinking lights on an exclusive free report on Obama Exposed!
If the scientific community can’t agree, we are not going to agree here. But what does interest me is in the off chance you two are right (which you aren’t): are we wasting money putting resources towards air care and wasting our breath opposing clear-cutting, etc. when the resources could be put towards other things, such as health care, education or employment. If there actually is no threat of global warming, we just carry on polluting? Is that the plan?
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I have lost all respect for you Fizban.
Go look at a climate chart showing the trends over the last shitload of years, and tell me we're supposed to be this fucking high already. Even if I was to play the fool and say that this is all just a cycle, we're thousands of years too soon for the next climate fuck.
I'm all for conspiracy theories, but thinking global warming is a moneymaking conspiracy for god knows who is just ridiculous.
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I'm all for conspiracy theories, but thinking global warming is a moneymaking conspiracy for god knows who is just ridiculous.
Never stated that, I just don't think its affects are nearly as catastrophic as some people seem to.
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1) I am a beliver (I belive you are a dumb ass moron. still love you though)
2) Global worming sucks, it should stop.
3) Mariah Carey is the man as LionPuss said.
4) I would just like to say "suck it well".
You bitches better miss me or else. A holler goes out to all my fans out there. For my best friends Virisin, Exodus and DragonAss - suck it well. Love +++
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I'm all for conspiracy theories, but thinking global warming is a moneymaking conspiracy for god knows who is just ridiculous.
Kitolani say:
There is a TON of capital to being made in making people feel badly for 'killing the Earth'. It's no conspiracy, you can buy carbon points to ease your worried mind. Best idea since indulgences. No, not recycling. That'd be too logical.
Right now it certainly doesn't feel like global warming...more like an ice age on deck. It's ball chilling cold outside WAY before it is supposed to be. Vicious and bitter winds are coming in out of the south of all places and grappling with heavy north winds. Lots of precipitation. Homes are collapsing ,as are trees. I also expect any substantial freeze to kill prospects of our declining economy. Woo!
'Global Warming' is just a name for the phenomenon that is definately occuring. You have to give a system of destructive death by weather a name. Like El Nino. Or Virisin. ::) It all means one thing, that some butterfly launched off of a flower one day and flapped its wings...right?