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Suggestions & Ideas / Re: Award Points
« on: November 14, 2009, 03:51:03 pm »
Interesting Molly!
First, thoughts on the RP points. Award points aren't going to be used for anything other than RP rewards, correct? If thats the case, then i think 1 of 2 things happens. Either 1, it stays sort of like it is now, and the RPLs cant award themselves, but they have to just be given the rewards for being RPL. The way it is now, they have a title and can do the login/logout messages, but they dont have the higher rewards like the personalized long desc, or entrance/exit desc (if those are even coded in, as Thotter seems to think they're not), nor a way to get them. Half the time I rp has been with smaller groups to help encourage them to do so, and although I take part, I am not going to sit there and award myself, that would be dumb/abusive. I've also held riddler contests where the awards were in RP points and not tokens. But by that way of thinking, i dont ever get points so i cant ever earn the higher rewards. Of course, this might not cause enough incentive for RPLs, but maybe the things i'm going to talk about in a minute might be (molly's ideas). Then obviously, the other option is to give them the award self and make them earn the rewards like everyone else. This seems a bit weird though... i can't imagine a time where I or anyone else thinks their own RP wasnt worth the full 5 or whatever points a session can give, while at the same time you're judging other's RP and can make that decision. Personally, I like the first option where you have the rewards already and can just worry about the RP and being a good judge of character and giving them out to other deserving RPers (again, this is as long as award points arent used for anything else other than RP rewards, which i dont think they should be)
Next, the whole "should RPLs have the power to award or not." I think taking this power from them would make it a pain for Imms. I know you guys like to see the rp that happens, for entertainment and for the satisfaction of knowing it happens, but just think if every little session/event/contest dealing with award points had to be sent in to be judged... thats going to pile on more work for you guys. Especially if you're having a committee doing the judging. Although i do like the idea maybe for bigger events/possibilities for larger amounts of award points, im thinking 'how many big events actually happen... do you really want to go through that for all the smaller rps that happen?' I say allow RPLs to keep the ability to give out points (dont know of a time that this has been abused... has it? other than maybe whoever gave virisin that many points... thats just wrong), and when a large event rolls around, have the committee idea come into play to decide about points. whos in it is up to you... some imms, some RPLs does sound like a good idea. Also, this way I can run my riddler events and give awards to those deserving :p (is there a cap on points still? i think i remember not being able to award everyone in those past events who should get them)
As for HAVING to document the RP and post it or send it in, i don't think that is necessary (see above reasons). I think yes, its necessary if you want points for it and there are no RPLs or Imms participating in the event, but not necessary over all. Maybe give some sort of extra incentive to post your RP for everyone to see on the forum to help encourage RP? A few extra points or something to the poster, or to all involved? Just an idea
Now, the interesting part... switching into mobs. I know personally, this would encourage me to get more RP going... dont know about the other RPLs, but i can say that in past events, ive had to make new characters to participate in things because Asmodeus isn't someone whos going to be involved in certain rp. Not to mention its hard to RP with existing mobs when you have to schedule a time with an imm to be there to control them. Being able to be those mobs yourself would open up so many possibilities.
As for echo, rpls have recho already... do you think we really need any more than that? i think its enough.
Finally, just something that bugs me... why do Heros have the award command?
"The Hero option was for oldtime players, with reasonably good reputation, who
may have tired of the mortal game, but still like 4D enough to regard it as a
home. A Hero title is a badge of honour, but also a position of trust. Heros
that abuse their position risk to lose their abilities or, in bad cases, even
their Hero char."
They have award to start rp sessions and rp quests... i thought this is what RPLs were for, why do the powers cross over into hero? hero powers aren't crossing over to rpl. you could argue heros need it to get questing and rp occuring, but you could also argue silence and freeze could come in handy for an rpl if someone is completely ruining the rp by being an idiot. seems either they should each have their own perks/set of commands (and those who want to be involved with both should get both flags) or they should be fused into one title (hero is almost pointless anyway)... doesn't seem right that the rp-related commands are given to a hero who doesn't even have to be an rp character.
First, thoughts on the RP points. Award points aren't going to be used for anything other than RP rewards, correct? If thats the case, then i think 1 of 2 things happens. Either 1, it stays sort of like it is now, and the RPLs cant award themselves, but they have to just be given the rewards for being RPL. The way it is now, they have a title and can do the login/logout messages, but they dont have the higher rewards like the personalized long desc, or entrance/exit desc (if those are even coded in, as Thotter seems to think they're not), nor a way to get them. Half the time I rp has been with smaller groups to help encourage them to do so, and although I take part, I am not going to sit there and award myself, that would be dumb/abusive. I've also held riddler contests where the awards were in RP points and not tokens. But by that way of thinking, i dont ever get points so i cant ever earn the higher rewards. Of course, this might not cause enough incentive for RPLs, but maybe the things i'm going to talk about in a minute might be (molly's ideas). Then obviously, the other option is to give them the award self and make them earn the rewards like everyone else. This seems a bit weird though... i can't imagine a time where I or anyone else thinks their own RP wasnt worth the full 5 or whatever points a session can give, while at the same time you're judging other's RP and can make that decision. Personally, I like the first option where you have the rewards already and can just worry about the RP and being a good judge of character and giving them out to other deserving RPers (again, this is as long as award points arent used for anything else other than RP rewards, which i dont think they should be)
Next, the whole "should RPLs have the power to award or not." I think taking this power from them would make it a pain for Imms. I know you guys like to see the rp that happens, for entertainment and for the satisfaction of knowing it happens, but just think if every little session/event/contest dealing with award points had to be sent in to be judged... thats going to pile on more work for you guys. Especially if you're having a committee doing the judging. Although i do like the idea maybe for bigger events/possibilities for larger amounts of award points, im thinking 'how many big events actually happen... do you really want to go through that for all the smaller rps that happen?' I say allow RPLs to keep the ability to give out points (dont know of a time that this has been abused... has it? other than maybe whoever gave virisin that many points... thats just wrong), and when a large event rolls around, have the committee idea come into play to decide about points. whos in it is up to you... some imms, some RPLs does sound like a good idea. Also, this way I can run my riddler events and give awards to those deserving :p (is there a cap on points still? i think i remember not being able to award everyone in those past events who should get them)
As for HAVING to document the RP and post it or send it in, i don't think that is necessary (see above reasons). I think yes, its necessary if you want points for it and there are no RPLs or Imms participating in the event, but not necessary over all. Maybe give some sort of extra incentive to post your RP for everyone to see on the forum to help encourage RP? A few extra points or something to the poster, or to all involved? Just an idea
Now, the interesting part... switching into mobs. I know personally, this would encourage me to get more RP going... dont know about the other RPLs, but i can say that in past events, ive had to make new characters to participate in things because Asmodeus isn't someone whos going to be involved in certain rp. Not to mention its hard to RP with existing mobs when you have to schedule a time with an imm to be there to control them. Being able to be those mobs yourself would open up so many possibilities.
As for echo, rpls have recho already... do you think we really need any more than that? i think its enough.
Finally, just something that bugs me... why do Heros have the award command?
"The Hero option was for oldtime players, with reasonably good reputation, who
may have tired of the mortal game, but still like 4D enough to regard it as a
home. A Hero title is a badge of honour, but also a position of trust. Heros
that abuse their position risk to lose their abilities or, in bad cases, even
their Hero char."
They have award to start rp sessions and rp quests... i thought this is what RPLs were for, why do the powers cross over into hero? hero powers aren't crossing over to rpl. you could argue heros need it to get questing and rp occuring, but you could also argue silence and freeze could come in handy for an rpl if someone is completely ruining the rp by being an idiot. seems either they should each have their own perks/set of commands (and those who want to be involved with both should get both flags) or they should be fused into one title (hero is almost pointless anyway)... doesn't seem right that the rp-related commands are given to a hero who doesn't even have to be an rp character.
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