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General Category => Suggestions & Ideas => Topic started by: Virisin on November 10, 2009, 04:33:04 am
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I dislike award points and they're generally handed out because an imm or hero or something is friends with a player and is bored. I think they should be removed because everyone seems to have pretitle now anyway.
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I totally disagree with this. I love award points and spent years rping to get the 85 I have. And I'm still barely close to a pretitle. Some of us still rp here, and award points are the only thing that are keeping the newbies (like darvus) wanting to rp.
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I have 405 award points for doing fuck all... I'm not an RPer, I see no reason why you guys that actually do RP shouldn't just have things like pretitle because it helps your RP.
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well, it was a ncie system but certain imms (morde and thotter) refused to do anything more with them.... especially thotter.
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I have 405 award points for doing fuck all... I'm not an RPer, I see no reason why you guys that actually do RP shouldn't just have things like pretitle because it helps your RP.
Well that's you. I think people that got them for doing nothing shouldn't have them at all. :P I still like the idea of making people rp for rewards because it encourages people to do stuff (like actually rp). If we give things like pretitle away for free that wouldn't be any fun.
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If you want some award points, you can always send me a recent RP log, or ask me to RP with you, and I'd be glad to provide you with some based on what occured
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or ask me to RP with you
I'm totally going to hold you to that. XD I thought I'd never get someone besides darvus to rp with me. :P Not that he's not a good rper. He's a pretty good one. ^_^
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What of LH's idea a few threads ago on getting rid of pretitles and making pretitles awards for doing certain achievements. Like for killing 1 earning 1 billion gold you get Greedy title, or Becoming a Knight you get Sir, or doing something is star wars, Sith, Padawan. The list can go on forever. You know you'd want to try and get all the titles ;)
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I think award points basically are a good idea, but as with so many other things it only takes someone misusing them - or not using them at all - for the idea not to work out. In our case I think the lack of active RP leaders who actually initiate sessions with others is a bigger problem than a few award points possibly being given out to undeserving recipients - although ideally that shouldn't happen either, of course.
Anyhow, we may not have many active roleplayers at present, but who is to say that won't change in the future? Perhaps we could rework the award system a bit, but I'd rather keep the Award points in the hope that they'll be used more. In my mind carrots are always better than whips when it comes to persuade people to do something.
And Sarias, remind me to send some Award points your way next time I see you on line , for those entertaining cronicles of yours. :)
As for Lionheart's idea about pretitles or titles reflecting different kinds of achievement, I still think that is an excellent idea, and something that I am willing to put some work into myself to facilitate, the day Anubis gets the time to code it in.
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As to not award the same person for the same thing twice. We should note hero, rpl, and imm every time we give out any award points, and the reason why. If one gives them out, they best have a reason, and if they get caught, shame shame. Fair?
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Also, perhaps, develop or more in place set of guidelines on how many to give out. Say 5 AP for RP sessions per 100 lines (edited)? Could always not make it RP only and give AP for global evenys as spoken about in another thread. Change up the awards from AP's and instead of gettings stuff at certain markers, it'll be a currency. A currency for cosmetic type upgrades. Maybe at first not allow people to put color in title, but you can buy that privilege. And if pretitles would be an achievement type based thing that would need to be gotten rid of in the fact you can put anything you want there. Also, maybe buy the ability to change the way your race looks in who, or your class, even though by default you will be what you are, that way if Toch really RP's he could make his race be Drw, for Drow like he really wants. Like?
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Just wanted to mention unless you come up with guidelines for how to post rp logs, its hard to say every x amount of lines gets z award points. There are logs that are posted of everything seen minus prompts, there are logs posted like Sarias has been posting, condensed into an actual story, and im sure there are other ways. It probably should be based more on the quality of the rp and how much each character participates in it (possibly a lengthy session could add a bit onto the points), and maybe each player can earn a max amount of points for each session depending on those two (or three) criteria (obviously this is subjective to the one giving out the award points).
Example: If you have 3 people role playing (Myself, Xeriuth, and Virisin), and Xeriuth and I are coming up with an elaborate story line and interacting well, and Virisin just in the same room agreeing to everything being said and throwing in useless comments, I would probably only want to give Virisin (if a max is 6?) 2 points, like a participation prize. But if the other two were doing an amazing job, coming up with a great story, etc, id want to give them each the full amount of points.
I'm trying to get back in the RPL mode again... ive already given 5 points to Sarias, and plan to give the same to Darvus next time i see him, and will continue my RPL duties. Perhaps planning another Riddler event may be in the works.
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Perhaps max of 10 points per RP session. Per person involved, lets say it was the three and viri farted once during it, he'd get 1 point. While the other two were quite awesome they could each get a full 10. Something like that?
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Yeah, thats the idea... though i dont know, 10 seems a bit much unless its a pretty epic session, and if it involves virisin, its probably not that epic
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But then again, what should awards be?
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I would be casting 'magic missile' from afar, it would help the RP session progress trust me.
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People that just hand out award points for nothing are what cheapen them. Why Virisin has over four hundred points is baffling, as I've never seen him roleplay, and that INCLUDES during the world-wide RP event. :P
Then again, while Virisin was gone, I'd make the clannies roleplay and they'd get NOTHING for it. Well, they were amused, so I suppose that's something.
Award points aren't that easy to get. I've told several people that've asked me for points to fuck off, as they haven't done a damn thing to earn them. Do I fancy a great deal in the term 'roleplaying'? Absolutely. Sell it.
Hopefully, now that Natalya is back (you'd better stay -_-), we can get something exciting underway for people that want to gain points for pretitles, restrings, whatever.
Also, Sarias. I'd also roleplay with you if our schedules ever coincide.
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Good discussion, keep the ideas coming and we will do something about it.
I particulatly like Asmodeus' thoughts about the logs. When we ran the big Qualinesti event, all the logs posted had been cleaned of spam and everything else not related to the roleplay situation, and we actually even corrected typos in them. (This was done by the staff, and it entailed a lot of work, so it's not something that I am willing to do again myself, since although I am positive to RP, it isn't my main priority - I am first and foremost a builder).
RP sessions should in my opinion mainly be initiated and run by morts. The global events we've run all meant a lot of extra work for the staff, to a point where it became a burden, instead of fun.
One problem that we need to adress is that the RPLs don't have the chance to collect RP points for themselves. That mean that the RPLs lack an incentive that other players have. I am aware that being able to award yourself RP points could be massively abused, but actually being able to award them to you buddies for nothing could be just as easy to abuse.
So maybe the reward for being a RPL shouldn't be the ability to hand out Award points at all, but instead just access to a few RP related commands, like echo and the ability to switch into mobs.
Oh, and I know, I know - RP should be its own reward, and you shouldn't even need to get anything extra for it - but that's in an ideal world. usually you need some sort of incentive to get people off their butts. And as far as I know, even RPIs use rewards to encourage good RP.
So maybe we should get away from the system where certain morts can give award points on line totally, and reserve the awards for documented events - i.e. logs.
As a suggestion, I propose is that everyone that posts a RP log has to do the cleaning up job first, and without it the log won't even be judged. Then maybe a small committee should decide the number of award points that each participant gets, and the one that did the cleaning and posting job gets a bit extra for that. The committee could consist of some imms and some RPLs, and possibly even contain the possibility for all players to rank the session from 1-10.
Opinions?
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Of course yes, all logs need all the spam cut out, and only the stuff relevant to the rp session is left.
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Interesting Molly!
First, thoughts on the RP points. Award points aren't going to be used for anything other than RP rewards, correct? If thats the case, then i think 1 of 2 things happens. Either 1, it stays sort of like it is now, and the RPLs cant award themselves, but they have to just be given the rewards for being RPL. The way it is now, they have a title and can do the login/logout messages, but they dont have the higher rewards like the personalized long desc, or entrance/exit desc (if those are even coded in, as Thotter seems to think they're not), nor a way to get them. Half the time I rp has been with smaller groups to help encourage them to do so, and although I take part, I am not going to sit there and award myself, that would be dumb/abusive. I've also held riddler contests where the awards were in RP points and not tokens. But by that way of thinking, i dont ever get points so i cant ever earn the higher rewards. Of course, this might not cause enough incentive for RPLs, but maybe the things i'm going to talk about in a minute might be (molly's ideas). Then obviously, the other option is to give them the award self and make them earn the rewards like everyone else. This seems a bit weird though... i can't imagine a time where I or anyone else thinks their own RP wasnt worth the full 5 or whatever points a session can give, while at the same time you're judging other's RP and can make that decision. Personally, I like the first option where you have the rewards already and can just worry about the RP and being a good judge of character and giving them out to other deserving RPers (again, this is as long as award points arent used for anything else other than RP rewards, which i dont think they should be)
Next, the whole "should RPLs have the power to award or not." I think taking this power from them would make it a pain for Imms. I know you guys like to see the rp that happens, for entertainment and for the satisfaction of knowing it happens, but just think if every little session/event/contest dealing with award points had to be sent in to be judged... thats going to pile on more work for you guys. Especially if you're having a committee doing the judging. Although i do like the idea maybe for bigger events/possibilities for larger amounts of award points, im thinking 'how many big events actually happen... do you really want to go through that for all the smaller rps that happen?' I say allow RPLs to keep the ability to give out points (dont know of a time that this has been abused... has it? other than maybe whoever gave virisin that many points... thats just wrong), and when a large event rolls around, have the committee idea come into play to decide about points. whos in it is up to you... some imms, some RPLs does sound like a good idea. Also, this way I can run my riddler events and give awards to those deserving :p (is there a cap on points still? i think i remember not being able to award everyone in those past events who should get them)
As for HAVING to document the RP and post it or send it in, i don't think that is necessary (see above reasons). I think yes, its necessary if you want points for it and there are no RPLs or Imms participating in the event, but not necessary over all. Maybe give some sort of extra incentive to post your RP for everyone to see on the forum to help encourage RP? A few extra points or something to the poster, or to all involved? Just an idea
Now, the interesting part... switching into mobs. I know personally, this would encourage me to get more RP going... dont know about the other RPLs, but i can say that in past events, ive had to make new characters to participate in things because Asmodeus isn't someone whos going to be involved in certain rp. Not to mention its hard to RP with existing mobs when you have to schedule a time with an imm to be there to control them. Being able to be those mobs yourself would open up so many possibilities.
As for echo, rpls have recho already... do you think we really need any more than that? i think its enough.
Finally, just something that bugs me... why do Heros have the award command?
"The Hero option was for oldtime players, with reasonably good reputation, who
may have tired of the mortal game, but still like 4D enough to regard it as a
home. A Hero title is a badge of honour, but also a position of trust. Heros
that abuse their position risk to lose their abilities or, in bad cases, even
their Hero char."
They have award to start rp sessions and rp quests... i thought this is what RPLs were for, why do the powers cross over into hero? hero powers aren't crossing over to rpl. you could argue heros need it to get questing and rp occuring, but you could also argue silence and freeze could come in handy for an rpl if someone is completely ruining the rp by being an idiot. seems either they should each have their own perks/set of commands (and those who want to be involved with both should get both flags) or they should be fused into one title (hero is almost pointless anyway)... doesn't seem right that the rp-related commands are given to a hero who doesn't even have to be an rp character.
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holy hell, i didnt realize how long that was!
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I'm not reading it you bastard.
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you'll read it... you refresh every 10 seconds, pretty soon you'll get bored when theres nothing else to read... it will break you!
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Grats, Asmodeus, you made my eyes bleed. :P
Can we use gossip when we roleplay please?
Also, can we make the "IC" channel dark cyan or something?
I think the whole idea of having a system of incentives to roleplay is ok, but there are simpler ways to attract people into liking it. Asmodeus is a great RPL, and I trust his ideas as well.
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Ok I finally read all that, and although I don't have a very strong opinion either way because I'm not too fussed with RP I agree with all the points you made. Especially nerfing HERO's. Down with HERO's!
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I agree with removing the award point system. It's actually a nice idea in theory, to be able to reward people for RPing, but by the same token it shouldn't reeeally be necessary. I think things like pretitles and such could be bought with gold, or tokens (hello, way to help with inflation/economy a little!). And I think a RolePlayer leader should just be able to do things that normal morts cant. No award system, just the ability to run events and do cool emotes and such =p And just have events/logs noted or judged, and also have awards (Roleplayer of the year?).
As for Hero, I think that flag should be removed entirely. I mean, honestly, where's the use for it? Especially under the current playerbase.
The purpose of a Hero, aside from trying to make older players feel pretty, was namely to deal with some in-game conflicts, effectively, am I right?
They award, they silence, they can do stuff. None of that stuff is ever done or used. Nor should they need to award someone, or have the ability to do so, IMO.
As for the silence ability from Heroes?... I bring back my idea I mentioned years ago. It would especially work under the new system (and I can see it's going to piss me off because I'll always be low level once that happens, but meh).
For those that harass, abuse, insult, etc, we could have the ability to THUMP someone to silence them for 5 minutes.
The catch to this is, you have to be 10 or 20 levels higher than them (for example). In the current system it would most likely be you'd have to be a few remorts higher than the person to be able to thump them.
And you can only use thump say.. three times every 30 minutes. Put some kind of limit on it so you can't harass people with silencing them.
And ofcourse, everytime someone is thumped it could always be logged away. You could even have it so when you thump someone, you need to attach the reason for thumping.
thump Jason because he called my mother a hotdog.
Just not have the reaosn show up, that would be purely for log purposes.
So, thats my two cents. Remove award points for RPing, have RPers just there to be able to initiate and create events with cool social-related abilities, and remove heroes. Or at least stop giving the flag to those that shouldn't have it (I still maintain removing mine because LionHeart was being a dick with his Heroes flag was a right move).
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I agree with removing the award point system. It's actually a nice idea in theory, to be able to reward people for RPing, but by the same token it shouldn't reeeally be necessary. I think things like pretitles and such could be bought with gold, or tokens (hello, way to help with inflation/economy a little!). And I think a RolePlayer leader should just be able to do things that normal morts cant. No award system, just the ability to run events and do cool emotes and such =p And just have events/logs noted or judged, and also have awards (Roleplayer of the year?).
I don't even think you actually read the thread. I think you read one post at the very top and based your whole argument from it. Let me give you an example of what this mud is, it's a hack-n-slash mud, where people usually are either questing, leveling, or pking. This isn't a mud that is based around roleplaying, but roleplaying is still encouraged. If this was a roleplaying mud, then I would agree with you that awarding people isn't really that necessary, but like Molly said even rpi's give out rewards for good roleplay. (and I would know because I'm apart of quite a few.) So by taking away the award point system, there is no way you could actually "encourage" roleplay. You're pretty much just stabbing it and letting it lie there dead. As for me I don't care if I don't get another point in my life, but there's something awesome about newbie's being able to be recognized for their little venture into rp. They usually become excited and they continue roleplaying.
As for your second suggestion about pretitles should be bought with gold/tokens. I do not agree with this one bit and don't even see how it would help the over inflated economy. pretitles, exits, entrances, really should be reserved for roleplayers who actually put some time and effort into their characters. Now, I did read what lh said about some pretitles coinciding with certain quests or achievements, and I think that would be a good idea. I'm all for awarding people that complete things. But that's all that it should be for: people that either gain achievements or roleplay. Not people that have a crap ton of gold/tokens and just feel the urge to put a pretitle in front of their name. Half of the time the pretitles are stupid anyways and don't even mean anything to their characters.
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I agree that we need guidelines and maybe immortal approval before award points are given. I know that hero's can give rp points not sure if RPL can.
Prometheus
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rpls can give points, and i think should be able to.
heroes can give points, and i think shouldn't be able to
i think committees are good for larger RP events, but points for small every day events between a couple people, and contests should be able to be handled by RP leaders.
(see my last post for my reasonings)
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I pretty much agree with Asmodeus.
The award points provide a carrot for Roleplaying, and we really need carrots since we are not RP enforced.
RPLs were implemented solely to initiate and encourage RP, so they should be able to give Award points on the spot, because it too often gets forgotten if you leave it till later. (As an example, I have still not remembered to give Sarias the Award points I promised for her nice chronicles). :)
Heroes were made for other resasons, and have nothing really to do with RP, so they really should have award points either. Anyone, including Heroes, who wants to take some active interest in RP, can just apply for a RPL.
However, Award points should never be given out randomly, without any RP even taking place, and particularly not being handed out to buddies. With the RPL abilities also come responsibilities.
To get a RPL, you have to apply for it, and prove that you are serious. If you abuse it in any way, you'll lose it.
We should also set up some guidelines for RPL, and the current and prospective RP Leaders can assist in that, preferably by responding to this thread. In fact, anyone interested in RP should give input. If you are not, don't bother.
To make sure that we have some way to check against potential abuse, I suggest two things:
1. When awardpoints are given out, a note to imm with a short motivation about who received it and why will be obligatory.
2. All Award points activities, will be logged, just like token transactions, so that we can go in and check, in case there are any suspicions about abuse.
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I think most RP rewards have been made redundant by other flags that do not actually require the abilities some of them have, but have them anyway for some reason.
Pretitle, afars, poofin/poofouts.. There is nothing else to even buy with award points really and for some reason Helpers get afars and probably the other two too, and Hero's get all three.. Seems pretty pointless for Helpers or Hero's to get any of them, and all it does is detract from the rewards RPers get.
I think it'd be nifty if restringing items was impossible for anyone except those that had earned the required amount of award points too. So good RPers could have their own little economy based around RP by selling restrings to people.
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Interesting idea... *rip rip* *tear tear* *shred shred* *Kvetch forms it into a little pile for a kitty box...* ;) I'm done.
Oh, wait.. not quite yet.
Knowing how much trouble I get into when I restring items, I'm not sure I'd want to put that on the shoulders of mortals unless the restring was made much MUCH easier (ie: you can't restring something unless you have the item in your hands - personally I'm tired of running around the mud restringing things back to what they were because of a silly little mistake). Of course, that would require rpers to be able to either load the rp gear or buy the item from a shop and then restring it.
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Heroes were made for other resasons, and have nothing really to do with RP, so they really should have award points either. Anyone, including Heroes, who wants to take some active interest in RP, can just apply for a RPL.
Molly do you mean should or should not? If should not I can remove Hero's from giving out award points.
Prometheus
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You mean Heroes seriously can give out RP awards? I thought someone was making that up because it made absolutely no sense to me.
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If you remove that ability from Hero's, can you remove the RP rewards they have too? Hero's are completely unrelated to RP.
Also yeah that's how I see it Kvetch.. help rprewards or whatever it is already shows we're meant to be able to restring items after a certain amount of award points, it's just that no one has ever acquired enough for anyone to consider it yet. I think it'd be cool though if people with enough award points could just type like: restring <item> <newname>, might cost some gold or something for the player so there would always have to be some cost to people wanting to have their items restrung, and whoever is doing the restringing could try and make a profit if they wished.
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If you remove that ability from Hero's, can you remove the RP rewards they have too? Hero's are completely unrelated to RP.
That is up to Molly. But it is easy enough to set award points but again that is for Molly to say yes or no too.
Prometheus
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I don't think giving everyone the power to restring their own items is necessarily the best idea, Viri
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Not everyone... We've had award points for how long now and still no one has enough to restring items. And restrings arn't the same as perzes.. They only actually cost like 3 million coins or something currently, and they're not reloadable if lost or anything.
Although I can actually see some potential risks involved, they're the same risks I can see currently with just being charged 3 million coins by your nearest imm.
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it says you get a restrung item, not that you can do it yourself
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Oh.. Just learning now apparently Thotter changed that reward from 1000 points = restring items yourself to 100 points = get 1 restring item.
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Just gonna throw it out there, i think everyone should lose award points and rewards with the pwipe if one occurs. If we're starting over with everything else, may as well be with this as well. That way award point inflation (*cough*virisin*cough*200 points*cough*) will go away as well. This creates incentive again to earn them, especially if we come up with some cool new awards (granted, there still is incentive for those who havnt gotten that many points, but hopefully when everything is worked out, and with some active RPLs and such, RP will become more common)
Also, if we agree we should wipe points, we could possibly start keeping track right now of who gets what, so they can just get points from here on out added to their balance when everything gets reset. In fact, you could probably even reset everyone's now if you wanted, since none of the changes are relying on award points. That way everyone could see where they actually are.
Idea... maybe RPLs can award themselves as well as others points for participating in RP (as mentioned before, even though RPLs can award, it is logged by system, AND we' should still be noting Molly or whoever about using award command, so it can be kept in balance and not abused), but their award for being RPL include starting with pretitle/entrance and exit descs, and incentives are the possibility to earn maybe switch, maybe restring, or whatever rpl-like commands that could cause them to be better rpls. that way they have some perks to start for earning their position, but some ways to get them to keep doing their job and some things to earn that will only make RP better in 4d. they more/better they do, the more they can earn. just like players... more rp=more rewards, just different awards for the title.
If pretitles are strictly rp, i have to agree with viri to not just give them to heroes (along with whatever rp rewards). If they're not, just let them have it. However, i still think they should not be able to use award.
Time to fly home!
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*cough400pointscough*
:P
I'd be down to have my points wiped.
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Seriously, if we're not giving out the HERO flag anymore and there is a pwipe there shouldn't be any Hero's to worry about it. My 2 cents on that.
Another 2 cent idea: what about having RPers be able to set their own brag for when they kill something above a certain level. This could also be used for PKers when they kill another PKer. I guess the double idea makes it a 4 cent idea. Anyone got any change?
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Heroes were made for other resasons, and have nothing really to do with RP, so they really should have award points either. Anyone, including Heroes, who wants to take some active interest in RP, can just apply for a RPL.
Molly do you mean should or should not? If should not I can remove Hero's from giving out award points.
Prometheus
OOps, that was a bad typo. I meant SHOULD NOT.
But don't remove it just yet, Prometheus, let's discuss what the different categories Heroes, Helpers and Roleplayleaders SHOULD have first.
1. What are their tasks, what should their tasks be?
2. What commands do they NEED, what would be logical?
3. What rewards would be appreciated and appropriate?
4. How do we prevent abuse of the commands, either than just nuking the offender's status?
Input is welcome, here's my own opinion:
In my opinion Heroes should NOT have Award abilities. (See the above motivation about RP).
On a side note, Heroes have been stripped of most abilities, because some Heroes, who apparently never should have got the title, abused them. As a consequence Heroes are now more or less obsolete.
We have discussed getting rid of the Hero title altogether. Another way to go would be to restore some of the old abilities, but monitor them more closely (logged commands) and be vary careful before appointing any new heroes.
I don't see why either Heroes, Helpers or RPLs should have the afar command really.
They don't need it, it doesn't really do anything, and it can be really annoying, when abused.
It's a sort of silly command really, that is far from IC, so a serious roleplayer wouldn't even want to use it.
These things were obviously meant as some kind of reward, but should that really be necessary?
Let's focus on what the different categories NEED to do their work instead.
Input, anyone?
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I think it'd be cool though if people with enough award points could just type like: restring <item> <newname>, might cost some gold or something for the player so there would always have to be some cost to people wanting to have their items restrung, and whoever is doing the restringing could try and make a profit if they wished.
Making anyone but experienced imms able to restring is a terrible idea.
I supppose only someone who has acually used that command, (like Kvetch for instance), would know how easy it is to screw things up, and accidently restring a totally unrelated item than the one you wanted to change.
Plus that with an imm responsible for it, we can at least weed out the most terrible attempts of uber coolness that would ensue if it was set free.
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1. What are their tasks, what should their tasks be?
2. What commands do they NEED, what would be logical?
3. What rewards would be appreciated and appropriate?
4. How do we prevent abuse of the commands, either than just nuking the offender's status?
Helper: their tasks are helping new players understand the game without just doing everything for the new player. This seems to be fairly consistent in what their tasks are and should be. They need commands that can help them help the newbies, I think they get some kind of goto command and they have access to the Seeker clanhall and mudschool and things which is good. I don't think they need afars or pretitle or any of the other RPrewards. I don't think Helpers should really get rewards, they should help because they want to, otherwise the wrong kind of people are attracted to the position for the rewards.
Hero: I don't even know what Hero's tasks are anymore.. They've been changed so often and the number of Hero's that have lost their title show that the entry process is obviously flawed, we're left with 3 active Hero's if I remember correctly: Once, Xeriuth and Tocharaeh who I don't consider any more inherently Heroish than Riley, Jason, Natalya or myself who were also around on the old code. I'd support getting rid of Hero's altogether, and if not, I certainly don't see why they need any kind of RPrewards.
RPL: I think it'd be cool if these guys got recho and things to help conduct roleplay, but also were able to be awarded with award points and not just get all the RPrewards initially.
Between these 3 flags, it's pretty much ended up that none of the RPrewards are valuable anymore because everyone fits into one or quite often more of these groups.
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RPL
1. Encourage, assist with, host, and participate in different forms of RP (sessions, global events, contests, etc) which allow others the opportunity to RP and/or compete for award points.
2. start with recho, award (self and others), others earned through rp/award points
3. torn... option 1: RPLs gain what players are able to gain, but add in RPL-type awards before player-awards, to assist them in hosting better RP (i.e. switch, and whatever other commands you feel are rpl worthy). I say make them available before other awards to give more incentive to rp... i had originally thought make them earnable after player awards, but why give them last when you can earn them and put them to good use right away. Option 2: give rpls what players can gain from the beginning and have a seperate list of commands/rpl-specific awards they can access with enough award points. OH... Option 3: give rpls the special rpl commands right away (switch, etc), make them earn everything normal players earn through rp.
4. I hate to have a cap put on how many award points you can give at a time... i think its 15 now, and i guess usually thats good, but if we're making each session out of a possible 10, i think the cap should be upped, or just removed all together. Yes, it creates potential for more abuse ,but it also then involves using others (imms and/or other rpls) to give out the needed points. That also gives the possibility of forgetting to give points because you ran out too quickly. I think there should be one or two imms designated to receive notes anytime someone gives out rp points. Obviously they are logged, so these imms can check up on that as well from time to time and make sure nothing is being abused. This allows the rpl giving out to many/little points to be talked to by an imm if the power is being abused or underused (like a second chance), and if there continues to be issues with multiple talks, bye bye privilege. Also, i do think for larger events that take place over multiple days, the whole RP Committee thing is a great idea, and they can discuss greater rewards for many more people. Also, maybe someone could create some sort of rubric if you really want to be picky about how many points someone should get for a session. (Out of 10... max 2 points for participation, max 2 points for being an active participant, max 2 for staying IC, etc ... just an example)... that way its not quite as subjective.
Other thoughts:
RP Awards... I like the ability to get a restrung item, pretitle, personalized login/out, person. long desc, and entrance/exit desc. I dont like ability to restring items yourself, or to award rp points yourself. I think if you really want the 2nd of those two, you should apply to become an RPL. seems pointless if you get that high and are that into rp, you should just have that power without any other responsibility. Also, i like the idea of setting your brag for killing someone... very nice IC opportunity!
Afar... get rid of it, completely ooc (i vote get rid of it for all mortals, period).
RP Awards for other people with Helper/Hero... make them rp to earn them like everyone else. I have to side with viri... if everyone has them who has a flag, they're not valuable. Plus, then they're not motivated to rp to help others get them because they already have the perks.
RPL Room with Board?... would it be useful to have one of these so that ideas could be discussed and put into motion without the use of the forum where everyone can see them and not be surprised? Perhaps convert the old hero room into this and give it a use (that way another board doesnt have to be coded in)
RP designated Imm...is there one?
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Hero... Just get rid of them. I can't see how they're useful anymore. Ok, they have freeze and silence... big deal, thats what imms are for. And considering there are only 3 active heroes or so, theres a good chance there will be more imms on at any given time than a hero, so what are they needed for in terms of discipline? They have access to newbie zone and mud school? Dont know if this is still true, but thats definitely a Helper thing, not a hero thing. Award commend... no, leave that to RPLs. Heroes running arena or zedd... necessary? can they even do that as it is now? I say zap the title, give the lounge/board room to RPLs where it can be put to good use (see previous post), and if you are a hero currently, and want a special title, become an RPL or helper. (not to mention i haven't heard one hero defend against the possibility of losing their title... almost as more proof that the hero title is worthless)
Helper... allow them access into newbie zones, mud school, and seekers clan hall. I kind of like viri's goto idea, but it would have to be super restricted... like any player who still has the * in front of their name on who list. Although I still feel like it might be able to be abused somehow. I think they should get SOMETHING as incentive to be more helpful... but what could be Helper specific as a perc? I also was thinking make newbie chan specific to imms, helpers, and newbies so that random people cant start talking over it about whatever sexual nonsense and scare them away, but that also takes away the option of non-helpers being helpful out of the goodness of their own heart... hmmm
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Asmodeus, the RPL's do have their own room with their own board. Ask Riley, Kitolani or me on how to get there :)
Hm, you should read the board, you might find some discovery there ;)
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I also was thinking make newbie chan specific to imms, helpers, and newbies so that random people cant start talking over it about whatever sexual nonsense and scare them away, but that also takes away the option of non-helpers being helpful out of the goodness of their own heart... hmmm
I don't like this. I hate most flags in general but still like trying to be helpful to newbies over the newbie channel.
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Asmodeus, the RPL's do have their own room with their own board. Ask Riley, Kitolani or me on how to get there :)
Hm, you should read the board, you might find some discovery there ;)
bah, what?! Stupid school=suck up my free time=no 4d=not hearing about the RPL room! >:(
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You weren't cool enough for the room before, now that you brought it up though they had to tell you. :P